I was challanged with the ID of the 2 gulls in the attached

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amir ben dov
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I was challanged with the ID of the 2 gulls in the attached

Post by amir ben dov » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:28 pm

please give your opinion on each

thanks
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Post by amir ben dov » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:36 pm

please advise re each of the 2
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Re: I was challanged with the ID of the 2 gulls in the attac

Post by lou bertalan » Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:24 pm

hi amir,

i see no reason why both birds should not be armenicus. the one with the pale eye might have some michahellis genes or it is just a male type armenian gull with pale eyes. a primary pattern would have been nice to reassure this ID but only based on the combination of dark irides (in one of the birds), bright yellow legs and a lot of black in bill for an adult bird (also in the pale eyed one!) i guess it is justified to say they are both armenian gulls.

best,

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Re: I was challanged with the ID of the 2 gulls in the attac

Post by amir ben dov » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:16 am

Hi Lou

thanks
its getting complicated :roll:

i Identified the left bird as cachinnans: long bill, pale back, a moderate forehead,
for me it has no armenicus fitures

as for the right bird, i hesitated between michahellis and cachinnans, but i never saw
a 3 colored bill in micha, so...

more opinions are needed :mrgreen:

Amir

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Re: I was challanged with the ID of the 2 gulls in the attac

Post by adriaens » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:58 pm

Both birds show massive amount of black on outer primaries: even the black on outer web of P7 reaches the primary coverts (at least in the left bird),
so Caspian Gull can quite safely be ruled out.
I agree with Lou that both look like Armenian Gulls.

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