close but no cigar?

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close but no cigar?

Post by Theo Muusse » Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:10 pm

Today a 2cy Herring Gull tested my knowledge on smithsonianus;
a near all dark tail, beautyful barred uppertail-coverts and rump and undertail-coverts (dark broader than pale bars), tertials dark with only on the top third a marked fringe, scapulars near plain with only on the top some irregular markings, heavy head, pretty dark underparts and head and longish Glaucous Gull-like bill.
Not showing the characteristic shawl, leaving a Herring the choice it to be, although with quite some smithsonianus pointers...
Or is the shawl not needed in mid-summer moulting time?

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Re: close but no cigar?

Post by Theo Muusse » Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:14 pm

The pics:

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Re: close but no cigar?

Post by Albert de Jong » Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:27 pm

Today the look-a-like cigar was still present at the same place. Here two pics of today. With a herring gull of the same age in the second picture.
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Re: close but no cigar?

Post by adriaens » Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:35 pm

Some pics of the 2nd-cycle smithsonianus that is currently in Kerry, Ireland:
http://pewit.blogspot.com/2010/08/ameri ... -gull.html

Very uniform plumage including lower breast and belly; all-dark tail; thin and quite long dark vertical bars on upper and under tail-coverts (not the triangular brown spots on whitish background of most European Herring Gulls); brown smudges on lower hindneck; relatively long bill; pale iris.

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Re: close but no cigar?

Post by Ruud Altenburg » Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:59 am

beauty is certainly not one of this bird's assets
:)

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Re: close but no cigar?

Post by adriaens » Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:54 pm

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

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Re: close but no cigar?

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Re: close but no cigar?

Post by Albert de Jong » Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:32 pm

It seems hard to find pictures of 2cy smithsonianus in (late) summer. I found some:

http://www.pbase.com/m_muller/american_herring_gull
http://www.birdguides.com/iris/pictures ... 135139&v=0 (first picture)

A look-a-like very similar to the bird of this topic could be found on this interesting page: http://ostfoldmaker.blogspot.com/2009/1 ... likes.html (Individual 11)

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Re: close but no cigar?

Post by adriaens » Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:36 pm

Just a few 2nd-cycle European Herring Gulls for comparison:
http://picasaweb.google.be/Zorkyyy/2ndC ... erringGull#
Note that bird 1-3 were all seen at the same location on the same date. I am not entirely sure of the age of bird 5; it could be a 3rd rather than 2nd cycle.

I have quite a few more examples of fairly dark 2nd-cycle birds, but in the above link I have limited myself to August birds only.

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Re: close but no cigar?

Post by adriaens » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:03 pm

Also, some stuff that is flying around in Iceland:

a dark hybrid Glaucous x Herring Gull -- quite a few birds of this dark type
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An unidentified gull... It was not entirely typical of American Herring Gull,
and in the end I did not submit it to the Icelandic rarities committee.
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With birds like that flying around in Europe, it is no wonder that we need very strict criteria.
See also the colour-ringed, dark argentatus in the blog already posted by Albert.

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