An old friend from Poland

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totoguti
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An old friend from Poland

Post by totoguti » Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:55 pm

Dear all:
Today 11.10.2013 at Meirás Beach, Valdoviño, A Coruña, NW Spain (43º36´07´´N – 08º11´33´´W) an old polish friend was resting on the beach.
It seems ok for cachinnans, but I think it´s head is a bit angled and squared, Strong bill and with a dark spot in front of the eye. Any opinion from more trained eyes, please.
All the best.
Antonio
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White spot in P10 and white inner wings
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Dark and wide tail band
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Eight months earlier......
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Re: An old friend from Poland

Post by lou bertalan » Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:10 pm

hi antonio,

it's true, somethimg is odd for it being a cachinnans. there might be some argentatus blood in it accounting for the short and somewhat high bill, head shape and contrasting pattern in GC (2nd gen). and if i look at the scapulars from february - they also look wrong for pure 2nd gen. cachinnans scaps. so, probably a F1 or F2 hybrid with tatus.

greets,

lou

totoguti
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Re: An old friend from Poland

Post by totoguti » Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:56 pm

Hi Lou:
Thanks a lot for your experienced opinion.
First time I saw this bird in a photograph (was sighted In Huelva, Southern Spain on 13. sept.2012) it had some argentatus " smell".
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Head and GC does not seems fine...
All the best
Antonio

adriaens
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Re: An old friend from Poland

Post by adriaens » Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:43 pm

Hi Antonio,
in which colony exactly was this bird born?

totoguti
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Re: An old friend from Poland

Post by totoguti » Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:26 am

Hi Peter:
It was ringed in Kozielno mix......

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Re: An old friend from Poland

Post by adriaens » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:07 am

Hi,
Kozielno is in the southwest of Poland, close to the border with Czech Republic.
As you can see in figure 1 of this paper, this colony is far from the main contact zone and holds mainly Caspian Gulls.

totoguti
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Re: An old friend from Poland

Post by totoguti » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:42 am

Hi Again Peter:
Would be possible to see this papper?. Available for members only....
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I thought kozielno was a mixed colony....

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Re: An old friend from Poland

Post by adriaens » Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:13 pm

The paper is publicly available.
Just ignore the "download pdf" request.

totoguti
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Re: An old friend from Poland

Post by totoguti » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:24 pm

Hi All:
Another sighting of this odd Polish bird from Kozielno. Today 11.12.13 at Pantin beach, Valdoviño, A Coruña, NW Spain (43º38´20´´N – 08º07´04´´W).
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With an adult "Lusi"
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All the best
Antonio

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