late 1st.w Heuglin's Gull??in SW Sicily

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Lucius
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late 1st.w Heuglin's Gull??in SW Sicily

Post by Lucius » Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:10 pm

need your opinion

heuglin's was the only i could figure out
cause of moult...

found on7th March


thanks a lot

Lucius
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Theo Muusse
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Re: late 1st.w Heuglin's Gull??in SW Sicily

Post by Theo Muusse » Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:20 pm

Given the strong wear on this bird, I wonder why its not a more southern type of cachinnans/ michahellis....

Theo

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Re: late 1st.w Heuglin's Gull??in SW Sicily

Post by Cristian Mihai » Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:26 pm

Yep, I'm not able to rule out a Yellow-legged Gull...

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Re: late 1st.w Heuglin's Gull??in SW Sicily

Post by Lucius » Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:29 pm

never seen before
a YLG 1st.w with completely juv worn unmoulted wing in march
and so plain unmarked grey(AD:TYPE) second generation scapulars

anyway a really strange bird !!!

thanks

Lucius

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Re: late 1st.w Heuglin's Gull??in SW Sicily

Post by lou bertalan » Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:45 pm

Lucius wrote:never seen before
a YLG 1st.w with completely juv worn unmoulted wing in march
and so plain unmarked grey(AD:TYPE) second generation scapulars

anyway a really strange bird !!!

thanks

Lucius
both is possible, lucius. this is a bird with adult like scaps: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=131&start=10#p462
and 1st winter YLG without replaced coverts and tertials are not at all rare, like this:
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head and body shape in your bird definitely says michahellis (and that nice smudge around eye..). such scaps are a confusing matter in separating them from caspians.

all the best,

lou

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