Odd Caspian
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Odd Caspian in Varna, Bulgaria. January 28th, 2010.
Cheers!
Gabi
Cheers!
Gabi
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Re: Odd Caspian
hi gabi
that's a beautiful female of a dark type caspian gull with plain pattern. i have come across (mostly by fopllowing up recent pics) quite a few of these pretty dark types during the past winter, but this one's really a beauty with its plain costume. note rusty tone of juvenile coverts contrasting to the cold grey in 2nd gen. MC, inner GC and scaps. these fully black centered scapulars (rhomboidal/diamond shape) seem to be typical of these types. also underparts look fully moulted 2nd gen grey contrasting to white head.
this one's from stuttgart, jan 2010:
download/file.php?id=672
download/file.php?id=673
download/file.php?id=674
thanks for showing
lou
that's a beautiful female of a dark type caspian gull with plain pattern. i have come across (mostly by fopllowing up recent pics) quite a few of these pretty dark types during the past winter, but this one's really a beauty with its plain costume. note rusty tone of juvenile coverts contrasting to the cold grey in 2nd gen. MC, inner GC and scaps. these fully black centered scapulars (rhomboidal/diamond shape) seem to be typical of these types. also underparts look fully moulted 2nd gen grey contrasting to white head.
this one's from stuttgart, jan 2010:
download/file.php?id=672
download/file.php?id=673
download/file.php?id=674
thanks for showing

lou
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Re: Odd Caspian
Hi Lou!
Interestingly, this bird had a very dark underwing, but the final jizz obviously points to cachinnans. I didn't expect to find such a high amount of Caspians in Bulgaria. The aim of my trip (to check variations among pure cachinanns) is totally acomplished.
Cheers!!
Gabi
Interestingly, this bird had a very dark underwing, but the final jizz obviously points to cachinnans. I didn't expect to find such a high amount of Caspians in Bulgaria. The aim of my trip (to check variations among pure cachinanns) is totally acomplished.

Cheers!!
Gabi
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Re: Odd Caspian
"I didn't expect to find such a high amount of Caspians in Bulgaria"
I'm not surprised about this - the western coast of the Black Sea is a good location for Caspian Gulls during the winter.
I'm not surprised about this - the western coast of the Black Sea is a good location for Caspian Gulls during the winter.
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Re: Odd Caspian
And during spring or autumn?
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Re: Odd Caspian
even better, as most of them migrate further south. however hey gather near/in lagoons for night roost and can be surprisingly scarce even in the main migration months (march/april, september/october) at the coast itself in bulgaria or at the romanian black sea coast south of constanta. in lagoons i have found roosts of >5000 though (september).
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Re: Odd Caspian
Lou,
I'm going to ask you for the best places in Spring and Autumn to photograph Caspians at close range (just like in Varna, this winter)
I travel to Bulgaria twice a year, and want to take the most of my trips. But I need close distances for my Canon 100-400mm, My next trip is expected in June or September.
I hope you and other members can help me, because I found scarce info about gulls in Bulgaria.
Cheers and many thanks!
Gabi
I'm going to ask you for the best places in Spring and Autumn to photograph Caspians at close range (just like in Varna, this winter)
I travel to Bulgaria twice a year, and want to take the most of my trips. But I need close distances for my Canon 100-400mm, My next trip is expected in June or September.
I hope you and other members can help me, because I found scarce info about gulls in Bulgaria.
Cheers and many thanks!
Gabi
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Re: Odd Caspian
Nice to see a bird here being called cachinnans and showing a large eye, where the ID bird of Albert Cama is dismissed as cachinnans because of its large eye...
Any chance this bird above may be from barabensis/ heuglini grounds?
Theo
Any chance this bird above may be from barabensis/ heuglini grounds?
Theo
Re: Odd Caspian
That was my thought to. However, seems a bit on the pale side on the second (or third) generation scapulars for either ssp and probably to advanced for heuglini.Theo Muusse wrote:Nice to see a bird here being called cachinnans and showing a large eye, where the ID bird of Albert Cama is dismissed as cachinnans because of its large eye...
Any chance this bird above may be from barabensis/ heuglini grounds?
Theo
Jan