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Caspian? or hybrid in Denmark
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:49 pm
by Kent Olsen
The Caspian with some argentatus-jizz and slight head-streaking has supposedly returned to Aarhus Harbour for its at least fourth winter. Please have a look:
http://gulldk.blogspot.com/2010/12/casp ... -2_04.html
Some of you have already commented last winter
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=137 but now the pictures have become better which might change your thoughts.
Cheers
Kent
Re: Caspian? or hybrid in Denmark
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:58 pm
by JanJ
Well Kent,
same bird - much better pic! However, as much as it has a set of good Caspian features (mentioned before) I´m still not sure what to allow my self to decide, pure bird or not. Everyone is scared (shitless

) to identify atypical birds, quite understandible! However, it varies from bird to bird, you simply have to have at least a set of 89,5 % ot more (?) of so called typical Caspian features to be able to decide, does it look like a Caspian - it probably is one, otherwise not. Slightly different jizz in various pic, some showing almost perfect jizz, highbreast, flatish back etc. I find the primary projection quite acceptable. Another, perhaps minor detail, is the oval impression of the eye, which steems from the broadness of the orbital ring , both in front of and back of the eye, in a michahellis fashion.
(I´m not suggesting michahellis!)
http://gneubauer.republika.pl/CachsAndHybrids.html
Cheers Kent and some good pic.
Jan
Re: Caspian? or hybrid in Denmark
Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 7:03 pm
by Kent Olsen
Hi Jan,
Great, that you would share a comment. I fully accept that due to the change in appearance between the different photos nobody feels comfortable with a final ID. Nevertheless it’s an interesting gull which forced me to follow it for a long time in order to take documentation for all the different characters; that was great fun.
Great link with wing-tip pattern from Poland, very informative.
Cheers
Kent
Re: Caspian? or hybrid in Denmark
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:35 am
by Kent Olsen
This is just an update. The gull has now returned for its fifth winter in a row
http://gulldk.blogspot.com/2011/12/poss ... -gull.html
Personally, I find a cachinnans x argentatus-hybrid a possible explanation based on field observations and especially characters seen in last year’s photos. However, as previously suggested a safe ID may not be recommended...
Cheers,
Kent
Re: Caspian? or hybrid in Denmark
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:40 am
by adriaens
The latest issue of British Birds (December 2011) includes a very thorough paper on identification of Caspian Gull and hybrids, by Chris Gibbins, Greg Neubauer and Brian Small.
It outlines a set of criteria for acceptance of a 'good' Caspian Gull outside the normal range.
Get it!
Re: Caspian? or hybrid in Denmark
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:07 pm
by Cristian Mihai
Yep, the paper is really interesting.