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mich or cach
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:10 am
by Theo Muusse
A 2nd winter bird, boldly patterned, pale-eyed cach or mirrorred mich?
Theo
Re: mich or cach
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:17 am
by Theo Muusse
Open wing.
Note the visible mirrors in p10.
Theo
Re: mich or cach
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:43 am
by lou bertalan
hi theo,
if it wasn't for the apparent scarcity of cachinellis i'd vote for such a hybrid. i can't imagine this being a pure cach with a pale getting iris at less than 1,5 years and this bold covert pattern. head structure seems wrong too. it looks very odd for being a pure mich but i'd rather accept such a YLG (inclusive mirrors) than a caspian. tatus x mich is not very likely because of the mirror and tatus x cach usually looks different in covert and tertial patterns but it may be acceptable.
lou
Re: mich or cach
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:11 pm
by Theo Muusse
The underwing.
Theo
Re: mich or cach
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:11 pm
by lou bertalan
hm, p10 tongue looks rectangular in this view, so cachinnans could well be one parent with that clean white underside also.
inner wing pattern is ok for cach, remains just the very bold covert pattern which can be herring gull influence.
Re: mich or cach
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:21 pm
by lou bertalan
the more i look at it the more it looks like an odd herring gll or hybrid with a lot of tatus in it.
2cy cachi can well have contrasting patterned lesser coverts but they look different:
http://www.pbase.com/slisch/image/145400325 ,
http://www.pbase.com/slisch/image/145400314
tertial pattern looks mostly like cach but note in the linked bird very sharp cut subterminal lines.