Various gulls need ID

[hieraaetus]

Hi Guys,

I went to the dump today to photograph gulls near my town Debrecen, Hungary.
I encountered some gulls I have difficulties to correctly ID. I would appreaciate if you could help me with these birds.

1-2. pictures: Can it be an adult 'heuglini'? Unfortunately I couldn't take any pictures of it while on the ground. I saw another pale-mamtled LBBG with much darker mantle and dark-streaked hood.

3-5. pictures: Strange looking 2cy bird resembling both cachinnans and argentatus in some respects. For reference I attached photos of a 2nd winter bird from 2012, which looks pretty much the same. It was said to be a probable hybrid on this forum before.

6. picture: Is it a 1st winter HG?

7. picture: presumed cachinnans X argentatus hybrid from Dec 2012

Thanks in advance,

Cheers,

Gabor

[Theo Muusse]

I agree on the heuglini and the hybrid.

Theo

[hieraaetus]

I agree on the heuglini and the hybrid.

Theo

Hi Theo,

Thanks a lot for the confirmation!

Regards,

Gabor

[amir ben dov]

Hi

i dont enter this forum often and i saw your post only today
my mail is amir.bendov@gmail.com and You are welcome to mail me directly

if the question is still relevant, please mail me

thanks
amir

[lou bertalan]

hi gabor,

the last bird (pic 6) could well be a pure michahellis - tail is typical for that sp. and not for cachinnans/argentatus. everything else is well within micha-variation including the strong window.

best wishes,

lou