cachinellis

[lou bertalan]

looking at its short head and eyes i readily put this into the michahellis section - a mistake? are those ventral tongues excluding a YLG, p9 mirror seems large too...

ergo cachi, right???


lou

1 2010.01.24 tineretului cm P1245542m - Kopie.jpg (138.22KiB)Viewed 4838 times

1 2010.01.24 tineretului cm P1245544m - Kopie.jpg (131.03KiB)Viewed 4838 times

[lou bertalan]

ok and since i am here with adults: what would you think this is: http://www.fotonatura.ro/gallery/d/4652-2/pescarus1.jpg
(location somewhere near danube delta/black sea)

[vuelvepiedras]

Hello,

not an easy bird, but I think is a cachinnans. Such an iris color is not rare in cachis, and that primary pattern is good for that species.

Cheers!
Gabi

[JanJ]

Narrow red orbital ring similar to cachinnans - usually broader, mainly in front of the eye in michahellis.

Jan

[lou bertalan]

hi jan, gabi,

i think it is a pontic gull indeed with that primary pattern but short head made me think mich at the first mo.
and older male (?) caspian gulls often show strongly extended orbital (as seen in the d.delta pics).

god 'truting'

lou